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Local History

PostPosted: Mon Jul 23, 2012 7:41 pm
by APE
I'm involved in some Leigh local history work which has led me to Culcheth and other nearby districts.

For example, Drs. Richard and Richard Burrows Sephton, served the Leigh area and were buried at Newchurch. Lowton Grange, Stonecross Lane, Golborne, once home to William Shaw, the MD of George Shaw & Co., Ltd.. Also, the Brideoake family, buried at Winwick.

I'd welcome any help you can offer and especially photographs, memorabilia, anecdotes and the like, indeed anything you can supply with a Leigh connection. :)

Re: Local History

PostPosted: Sun Sep 23, 2012 3:47 pm
by APE
Just going to bump this once on the off chance that someone can help me. :)

Re: Local History

PostPosted: Mon Sep 24, 2012 9:05 am
by Local lass
I have a photograph of the house where Dr Sephton lived in Culcheth if that would be of any interest to you?

Re: Local History

PostPosted: Mon Sep 24, 2012 8:35 pm
by APE
Local lass wrote:I have a photograph of the house where Dr Sephton lived in Culcheth if that would be of any interest to you?


It certainly would. Many thanks.

If you need my email addie, rather than post the image here, please ask.

It it needs scanning and you aren't equipped to do that, I can help.

Whichever is best for you. :)

Re: Local History

PostPosted: Tue Sep 25, 2012 2:47 pm
by Local lass
Hi, You can PM me your email address and I'll send you a copy or I have scanned copies if you prefer.

Re: Local History

PostPosted: Sat Oct 20, 2012 7:11 pm
by southworthdt5
Re Dr Sephton and his residence, in my younger days in Culcheth we visited him at "Springfield" in Common Lane.The name of his successor escapes me for the moment but I recall my Mother saying that he was rather fond of the bottle. The last incumbent doctor that I remember at "Springfield" was an Egyptian with a limp who went by the name of DrToubi.
He had an English wife from Sheffield who used to drive around in an MG sports car. The Doc. had a 1949 1.5 litre Jaguar. They had a son , Victor,who built himself a copy of the MG from an old Austin 7 van. He was very clever with his hands. There was a cupboard in the waiting room where the earlier Doctors used to leave labelled bottled of medicine and I was often asked as a young boy to go and collect these for elderly neighbours. I would also return empty bottles for reuse.

Re: Local History

PostPosted: Sun Oct 21, 2012 4:11 pm
by burylaner
The doctor you are thinking about was a Dr Kennedy, and treated me in 1947/48 before the NHS

Re: Local History

PostPosted: Sun Oct 21, 2012 10:04 pm
by Sparkyman
burylaner wrote:The doctor you are thinking about was a Dr Kennedy, and treated me in 1947/48 before the NHS


Burylaner,
Welcome to the forum, sorry I can't help on this thread but why do you call yourself Burylaner?
My father in law (sadly now passed away) used to refer to Bury lane, what's the history?
Sparky.

Re: Local History

PostPosted: Wed Oct 24, 2012 7:04 pm
by Local lass
According to my late father who also referred to Warrington Rd as Bury Loan (lane) was that during the Civil War, the battle which took place on the land near to Holcroft Lane and into Glazebury was where a lot of the men were buried where they fell. This was on the land next to the Raven Inn were Lythgos' bungalow stands, this is supposed to be consecrated land. This is where the name Bury Lane comes from. If anyone else knows a different story it would be interesting. :)

Re: Local History

PostPosted: Thu Oct 25, 2012 9:52 pm
by burylaner
I at one time thought the same as you, that the name of Bury Lane came from this Civil War battle, but according to a booklet "Centenary 1852-1952 on All Saints Church Glazebury" written by Allan Houghton, a former headmaster of Glazebury School that this is not true as Burylane is mentioned as early as 1201, the name Glazebury was bestowed on the villiage by a Mr Joseph Hartley, a owner of Gill & Hartley's factory the factory once stood just under the railway bridge, near the Chat Moss hotel, you are right about the consecrated land opposite the old Peters corn mill, I remember helping to pick was the first crop of potatoes from that field for the Farmer Ian Boardman of Light Oaks Hall Farm when I was 13/14, in the half term school holidays, half term then was know as Potato picking fortnight
were you went out and got a job, not roam the street like today

Re: Local History

PostPosted: Fri Oct 26, 2012 12:09 pm
by Local lass
Thats very interesting Burylaner, I used to do the potato picking as well, I went to Leatherbarrow Farm and my uncles farm on the moss, we were always allowed to carry some spuds home with us but I was always to tired to carry them :lol:

Re: Local History

PostPosted: Tue Oct 30, 2012 10:12 am
by APE
Good to read that some members on here like to chat about local history. :D

I'm currently researching the Yates family (farmers and pork butchers) who lived and worked in the Croft and Culcheth areas for decades before migrating to Leigh and, ultimately, creating the company which became Yates, Greer. Richard Yates, b. c.1818, was the first of the family 'specialist pork butchers' and he died in Leigh in 1890. I've walked the two cemeteries in Croft and checked out the burial records for Newchurch, Culcheth, but to no avail. Neither is he buried in Leigh (St. Paul's, Westleigh, Bedford St. Thomas and Leigh Cemetery) although the death is registered in Leigh. I'm trying to get a photo of any headstone that may exist and an obituary. Neither can I find details of the death in the local press (Journal/Chronicle).

Any information at all about this family would be most welcome.

Re: Local History

PostPosted: Tue Oct 30, 2012 3:17 pm
by Purps2
Regarding Yates, have you tried st joseph's?

Re: Local History

PostPosted: Tue Oct 30, 2012 4:32 pm
by raven
There is an alternate 'bit of folk lore' regarding the naming of Bury Lane (Glazebury), it was originally called Berry Lane because it was covered in berries along the stretch from what is now the Greyhound to Waltham Avenue.

The remains on the land are next to Heyshoot Lane are said to be of slaughtered scotsmen retreating from Derby, the Raven allegedly got its name from a raven alighting on the roof with a dagger in its beak.

The spud picking didn't extend into the burial land.

Re: Local History

PostPosted: Tue Oct 30, 2012 6:24 pm
by APE
Purps2 wrote:Regarding Yates, have you tried st joseph's?



There are very few graves still evident at St. Joes.

The municipal cemetery in Manchester Road was opened in 1856 with a Roman Catholic section and chapel and from that date burials take place there but are still recorded in St Joseph's register . St Joseph's graveyard may have been formally closed at the time and over the years it has been paved over and is now is a church car park.

Also, I think the registers ceased to be kept for burials after 1889. Burials would have been accommodated by Leigh Cemetery.

Thanks very much for contributing.

Re: Local History

PostPosted: Tue Oct 30, 2012 6:57 pm
by nyx
There is a farmer and butcher called Richard Yates living in Croft in the 1881 census who looks like the right one, he has a 15 yr old grandaughter named Mary living with him.
According to the National Probate Calender his son James Yates and Enoch Sankey a farmer from Rowe Farm Culcheth proved his will at Liverpool in 1890 and he died on 14th October 1890 in Leigh - he was living then in Market Street Leigh.

Dont know if this helps (from ancestry.co.uk)

Re: Local History

PostPosted: Tue Oct 30, 2012 7:57 pm
by APE
nyx wrote:There is a farmer and butcher called Richard Yates living in Croft in the 1881 census who looks like the right one, he has a 15 yr old grandaughter named Mary living with him.
According to the National Probate Calender his son James Yates and Enoch Sankey a farmer from Rowe Farm Culcheth proved his will at Liverpool in 1890 and he died on 14th October 1890 in Leigh - he was living then in Market Street Leigh.

Dont know if this helps (from ancestry.co.uk)


Thanks, nyx. :)

I have that already...from Ancestry. And, you have got the right family. Mary was daughter of Richard's son, John, who died just over a year after the 1881 census.

Did Culcheth/Croft have a local newspaper back in the 1880's and beyond? I might be able to trace an obituary for Richard in there.

Re: Local History

PostPosted: Sat Nov 17, 2012 5:58 pm
by APE
I've just received a notification of reply to thread! It would appear to have vamooshed! :lol:

Re: Local History

PostPosted: Sat Nov 17, 2012 6:01 pm
by Purps2
We have overdosed on spam today Ape, one must of been intrested in local history :lol:

Re: Local History

PostPosted: Sat Nov 17, 2012 6:16 pm
by APE
Purps2 wrote:We have overdosed on spam today Ape, one must of been intrested in local history :lol:


Thanks Purps2.

If you catch the perpetrator and if it happens to be a chap, please extract his testes via his urethra! He might think twice before spamming again! :lol: